5 Live Podcast | Steve McCormack and Gareth Ellis

In this edition of the BBC 5 Live podcast, Tanya Arnold and Kevin Brown chat to RL Cares Director of Wellbeing Steve McCormack and Wellbeing Programme Manager Gareth Ellis about the charity's welfare provision.

They talk about how the approach to player welfare has developed over the last decade, and what they learnt on a recent fact-finding trip to Australia.

There are also reflections on the Challenge Cup quarter-finals as four men’s and four women’s teams moved a step closer to Wembley.

Kevin also gives his thoughts on an eventful few days at Hull FC, who have parted company with Head Coach Tony Smith and appointed former Leeds and York half-back Richie Myler as their new Director of Rugby.

I don't think in my time that there's been a player, coach or administrator who has approached RL Cares for help and not been supported, whether that be done directly on the ground or signposted elsewhere.